"(they should not be held to DOT REG as they are not held to immigration law)" Too funny. You talk about your immigration laws like they're some kind of holy treatise..... You're like glassy-eyed, born-againers, sitting in the middle of the highway waiting for the rapture. But, haystacks is right. Immigrants, legal or otherwise, are better workers than the indiginous. .

Some 1.3 million illegal immigrants have left the United States since Congress failed to pass comprehensive immigration reform in the summer of 2007. If the trend continues, according to a new study, the nation's illegal population will drop by half in the next five years. http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0731/p01s03-ussc.html

Either of these sorry-ass so-called candidates will allow amnesty once elected. McCain learned nothing other than to not waive a red flag in a bull's face. Amnesty will be here and there is nothing any American can do about it. The only difference in these two candidates is their ability/inability to lie and hide real issues.

Union Pacific fighting nearly $38 million in fines for drugs found on trains at Mexican border OMAHA, Neb. (AP) -- Union Pacific Corp. wants a federal judge to set aside nearly $38 million in proposed penalties a U.S. agency has assessed against the railroad since 2002. The fines against the railroad are related to 42 incidents when U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents found drugs stashed in railcars crossing the border between the U.S. and Mexico. Union Pacific said it does not control the train cars until after they are inspected by customs agents, so it should not be held liable for what happens in Mexico. Most of the Mexican trains Union Pacific handles are controlled in Mexico by its shipping partner Ferrocarril Mexicano, which runs the Ferromex railroad. http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080804/railroad_drug_fines.html?.v=4 one would think they would have worked something out before passing NAFTA

Most likely the drugs were found as a result of someone not paying a bribe. The whole system is corrupt. Legalize drugs. You are not going to stop it.

The bulk of the plant's 900 workers — mostly Guatemalan and Mexican immigrants — dashed out doors, through hallways and into corners, trying to escape federal agents conducting what would be the largest immigration raid in U.S. history. First, came the Rubashskin family, which bought a defunct meatpacking plant on the edge of town and opened Agriprocessors. A small community of Hasidic Jews from the Lubavitcher sect, including rabbis who slaughtered animals according to religious law, followed. Then came the first group of plant workers — immigrants from Bosnia, Poland, Russia and former Soviet republics. In the late 1990s, those workers were gradually replaced by Guatemalan and Mexican immigrants. They came from Guatemala and Mexico to work grueling 12- to 14-hour days in the Agriprocessors plant, frequently standing in boots in knee-deep water, their hands cramped and swollen from shifts salting chickens or loading meat onto trays. They earned $6.25 to $7.25 an hour, with 20-minute meal breaks and, they say, often no overtime pay. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080816/ap_on_bi_ge/after_the_raid;_ylt=Av3SdZJrGjIQXcTO5alDIpqyBhIF About 150 Somalis, refugees who live and work legally in this country, have arrived to work at Agriprocessors since the raid. At first, most were single men, but a growing number of women are starting to join them. In the evenings, the long, lanky men in loose fitting clothes and women, swathed in traditional Muslim dresses and hijabs, can often be seen walking from the meatpacking plant to downtown. truly amazing the owners are allowed to walk free and stay in business.

RAISIN CITY, Calif. - California, the nation's leader in heat-related deaths among farmworkers, sought to turn that trend around three years ago with a new law aimed at ensuring people toiling in sweltering fields had such basics as a water break and an umbrella for shade. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_us/farmworkers_heat_deaths;_ylt=AoKhhn1W4BSxnbn8X3DMjtJH2ocA They only take jobs no americans will do, gee I wonder why.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080827/ap_on_re_us/immigration_raid;_ylt=AhMBlvw6OxY.JAM_h7_1Rbus0NUE "I'm very traumatized I would be too if I was caught illegally in another country, probably a good idea not to do it

Immigrant Raid at Mississippi Plant Largest in U.S. History
Tuesday , August 26, 2008 LAUREL, Miss. — The largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history has caused panic among Hispanic families in this small southern Mississippi town, where federal agents rounded up nearly 600 plant workers suspected of being in the country illegally. One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the Howard Industries transformer plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago. Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping. "I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration." About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said. About 475 other workers were transferred to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement. John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification. He said the raid was traumatic for families. "There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness." The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday. Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them. "They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?" Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman. Elizabeth Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the plant Monday when ICE agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. Her husband, Andres, was not so lucky. "I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Elizabeth Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle. "We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youthes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers. The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years. On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.