The above example (one of thousands) is one of many as to why I find this war questionable. Why should troops die there because of a no-win policy and why should citizens die here because politicians are in somebody's pocket? And that MOE-RON Bush is the No. 1 panderer. What happened to his Oath of Office, other than he cannot most likely remember that day?

What's missing is simple humanity editorial click here All the people that think it's inhuman should put their money where their mouth is and send money to mexico and other places to help the people out. They think it's just fine if illegals drive down wages in this country as long as they benefit from cheap labor and other americans get the shaft.

Homeland Security Scraps Virtual Fence Along Arizona-Mexico Border Tuesday , April 22, 2008 TUCSON, Arizona — The government will replace its highly touted "virtual fence" on the Arizona-Mexico border with new towers, radars, cameras and computer software, scrapping the brand-new $20 million system because it doesn't work sufficiently, officials said. The move comes just two months after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff officially accepted the completed fence from The Boeing Co. With the decision, Customs and Border Protection officials are acknowledging that the pilot program to detect illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border doesn't work well enough to keep or to continue tweaking. Chertoff accepted the program on Feb. 22 after Boeing apparently resolved software glitches. But less than a week later, the Government Accountability Office told Congress it "did not fully meet user needs and the project's design will not be used as the basis for future" developments. The project is made up of nine towers along a 28-mile (45-kilometer) section of border straddling the border crossing at Sasabe, southwest of Tucson. DHS will put in about 17 new towers, some holding just communications gear, others featuring new cameras or new radars, at an undetermined cost. The department also is spending at least $45 million to have a customized computer program written so the collected data is more quickly and efficiently fed to Border Patrol agents. Although the system is operating today, it hasn't come close to meeting the Border Patrol's goals, said Kelly Good, deputy director of the Secure Border Initiative program office in Washington. "Probably not to the level that Border Patrol agents on the ground thought that they were going to get. So it didn't meet their expectations." Agents began using the virtual fence last December, and the towers have resulted in more than 3,000 detentions since, said Greg Giddens, executive director of the SBI program office in Washington. But that's just a fraction of the several hundred illegal immigrants believed to cross through the Sasabe corridor daily. The towers, equipped with radars, optical and thermal imaging cameras and other sensors, are supposed to show nearby Border Patrol agents a complete picture of the border on the laptop computers in their patrol trucks. But the system's less-than-optimal results have been heavily criticized by politicians and others. The virtual fence is part of a national plan to use physical barriers and high-tech detection capabilities to secure the Mexican border — and ultimately the Canadian boundary too. Boeing used off-the-shelf software and other equipment initially to get the system up and running quickly. "Boeing has delivered a system that the Border Patrol currently is operating 24 hours a day," Boeing spokeswoman Deborah Bosick said. She declined further immediate comment. The pilot project was not intended to be the final, state-of-the-art system for catching illegal immigrants, Giddens said. The problems with the system involved not just the computer software but the radar and satellite links used to send the information. All will be replaced with different types. I find it amazing (well, not really) that a country with the technical sophistication of the US cannot control it's borders, other than there being no real desire. The Soviet Union and Red China controlled it's territories and population for decades.

machine guns in the towers would work, put up signs in spanish & english military training ground, keep out and let the military play with their bombs & guns, add mine fields

Colorado Lawmaker Calls Mexican Workers 'Illiterate Peasants' http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352025,00.html There's a YouTube video of the arguments leading up to his statement, but I don't know how to link to them and I don't watch them anyway. If you're interested, you can probably find it. State Rep. Douglas Bruce, who has a history of provoking controversy, made the comment during debate on a bill that would allow the state to help immigrant workers get temporary federal visas. The measure is intended to ease a shortage of farm workers in the state. "I would like to have the opportunity to state at the microphone why I don't think we need 5,000 more illiterate peasants in Colorado," Bruce said. His outburst drew an audible gasp from the House. "How dare you," said state Rep. Kathleen Curry, a Democrat who was serving as chairwoman during the debate. She told the Republican lawmaker he was no longer recognized to speak. House Minority Leader Mike May, head of the GOP caucus, said legislative leaders were trying to determine what action to take against Bruce. Rep. Terrance Carroll, a Democrat, said the remark could result in a formal ethics complaint that would require a hearing and possible suspension, censure or expulsion. So now even our legislators are being censored? Welcome to Soviet America.

how dare you I gather the commie queen can't comprehned the right to free speech and the fact he was elected to speak on behalf of the people who voted for him. The woman running the season should be removed from her power trip position.

There is a PROTECTED SPECIES ACT in force gentlemen.

Mexican Police: 13 Dead in Tijuana Shootouts Saturday , April 26, 2008 TIJUANA, Mexico — Massive gun battles broke out between suspected drug traffickers who fired at each other while speeding down heavily populated streets of this violent border city early Saturday, killing 13 people and wounding nine. All of the dead were believed to be drug traffickers, possibly rival members of the same cartel who were trying to settle scores, said Rommel Moreno, the attorney general of Baja California state, where Tijuana is located. "Evidently this is a confrontation between gangs," Moreno told reporters. Eight suspects and one federal police officer were injured in the pre-dawn shootings, none gravely, said Agustin Perez Aguilar, a spokesman for the state public safety department. The suspects are being held on suspicion of weapons possession among other possible charges. Police recovered 21 vehicles, many with bullet holes or U.S. license plates; a total of 54 guns; and more than 1,500 spent shell casings at various points in the city where the battles broke out, Perez Aguilar said. At one point, the alleged traffickers fired at one another as their sport utility vehicles sped down a busy six-lane boulevard lined with restaurants, car repair shops, medical offices and strip malls. Bullet holes could be seen in the walls of a factory building and on the perimeter wall of a housing complex along the road, but no bystander deaths were reported. It was not clear how long the gunbattles lasted. A mall security guard who did not want to give his name for fear of reprisals said he heard hundreds of gunshots fired, some of which passed near him. "I hit the ground," the guard said. When he got up again, he said he saw bullet holes in the wall behind him, a dead man lying in a pool of blood and 11 abandoned, bullet-ridden SUVs on the street. The first shootout claimed seven victims. Three subsequent gunbattles — one outside a hospital — claimed five more, police said. The body of a man police believe to be the 13th victim turned up at a city hospital. Tijuana, a sprawling metropolis just across the border from San Diego, California, is pervaded by frequent violence, much of it blamed on drug cartels battling for control of lucrative trafficking routes. The city is home to the Arellano-Felix drug cartel. In January, eight people died in a gunbattle at a Tijuana safe-house apparently used by drug hit men to hold kidnapped rivals. In that confrontation, hit men holed up inside the house battled police and soldiers with automatic weapons for three hours.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm 390 Immigration Fun To grasp American immigration policy, to the extent that it can be grasped, one need only remember that the United States forbids smoking while subsidizing tobacco growers. We say to impoverished Mexicans, “See this river? Don’t cross it. If you do, we’ll give you good jobs, a drivers license, citizenship for your kids born here and eventually for you, school for said kids, public assistance, governmental documents in Spanish for your convenience, and a much better future. There is no penalty for getting caught. Now, don’t cross this river, hear?” How smart is that? We’re baiting them. It’s like putting out a salt lick and then complaining when deer come. As parents, the immigrants would be irresponsible not to cross.

>> **WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR?** >> >> Illegal Aliens Cause Massive Cuts For US Seniors >> >> December 4, 2007 >> >> I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and >> over again until they are read so many times that the >> reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the >> URL's for verification of the following facts: >> >> 1... $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to >> illegal aliens each year. _http://tinyurl.com/zob77_ >> >> >> 2.. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food >> assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free >> school lunches for illegal aliens.. >> _http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/f iscalexec.html _ >> >> 3.. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for >> illegal aliens. >> _http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html_ >> >> 4.. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and >> secondary school education for children here illegally >> and they cannot speak a word of English! _http://transc >> ripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html >> > <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html>_ >> >> 5.. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education >> for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known >> as anchor >> > babies._http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html_ >> >> 6.. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate >> illegal >> > aliens._http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html_ >> >> 7.. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are >> illegal >> > aliens._http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html_ >> >> 8.. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal >> aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American >> taxpayers. >> _http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html_ >> >> 9.. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American >> wages are caused by the illegal >> > aliens._http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html_ >> >> 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime >> rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white >> non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are >> going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US >> ._http://transcripts.cnn.com/T >> RANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html_ >> >> 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION >> illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as >> many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. >> Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and >> marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern >> border. Homeland Security >> Report._http://tinyurl.com/t9sht_< FONT color=black> >> >> 12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the >> total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and >> $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 >> billion annually over a five year >> > period.'_http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf_ >> >> 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in >> remittances back to their countries of >> origin._http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm_ >> >> 14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One >> Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In >> The United States '. _http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml_ >> >> Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!