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Lars- 11-17-2007

It is very hard to find skilled labor at least here in Florida. The state unemployment rate is still 4.5%, which is essentially full employment. The construction unions have now a temp agency and that helps, as long as you can charge for the higher cost. Of course, I could always ask Dominoes to come here and take care of the problem for me. There is nothing like proving your point in real time.

Dominoes- 11-19-2007
Illega Aliens and Social Security
Illegal aliens may have paid $50 billion in S.S. taxes (i.e. their own FICA/OASDI, FICA/Medicare, and their employer’s payroll taxes for FICA/OASDI and FICA/Medicare) during the indeterminate time period. However, one truth of life is that illegal aliens are working for lower wages than the native population would accept. This is why Our Betters want mass immigration, to lower the wage scale. If the illegal aliens were never here, the same legit jobs they did would have been done by native Americans and legal aliens, (or the work would have been accomplished by other, perhaps more technologically advanced and capital-producing and higher value-added means), who/which would have had higher average salaries and wages, and whom/which therefore in the aggregate would have had a higher collective payroll base. Therefore, more FICA taxes would have been collected on that income base, meaning that there would have been MORE than $50 billion in S.S./FICA taxes collected from that work being accomplished. My educated guess is that anywhere between two-thirds and one whole time again more FICA taxes would have been collected in this scenario, meaning that the S.S. was underfunded by an amount between $33 billion and $50 billion. This educated guess is based on another educated guess that, ceteris paribus, illegal aliens will work for anywhere between one-half and two-thirds of what a native American would demand and receive for the same work. In other words, that $50 billion that illegal aliens paid into the S.S. system would have been $83-100b paid into the S.S. system by native Americans accomplishing the same workload in the same time frame either by the same means or by other means, if not for the downward pressure their presence created on the wage scale. Here in the real world with the illegal aliens, the marginal increase in personal incomes (and by deduction, FICA taxes) that isn’t there due to the cheap labor, is not earned by anyone, which translates into higher corporate and business profits. While those profits are subject to income taxation of some sort, they are not subject to S.S./FICA taxes of any sort. And once money gets into the corporate profit realm, then tax laywers and accountants can Enron around and shield as much of it as possible from the eyes of the tax collector. It could very well be the case that, extrapolating this effect for the financial and fiscal scenario between 1965, the beginning of mass illegal and legal non-white immigration, and the point in the future when S.S. expenditures are expected to surpass S.S. revenues, that the increased revenues not realized due to illegal aliens’ presence meaning a lower wage base could have sustained S.S. through the coming “baby boom crisis” of the fiscal situation in S.S. And don’t forget, this analysis leaves out illegal aliens’ use of S.S. system benefits. Counterbalance Of course, less than half of them are actually paying anything into it, despite the hogwash to the contrary.

Dominoes- 11-19-2007

It is very hard to find skilled labor at least here in Florida. Being a low wage, 'right to work' state, this isn't surprising; it's just what the state's businessmen want ... The state unemployment rate is still 4.5%, which is essentially full employment. Which is essentially a load of crap; more like 15% to 20%. The construction unions have now a temp agency and that helps, as long as you can charge for the higher cost. God forbid any labor contractor should have to pay more for skilled labor ... that's communism ... Of course, I could always ask Dominoes to come here and take care of the problem for me. There is nothing like proving your point in real time. I can take care of it from here: Either run off your illegal aliens, or just keep whining on the internet, or find another line of work. IF you are so skilled, you'd make just as much working for somebody else as running your own racket, if there was indeed this great 'labor shortage' you keep trying to sell.

Lars- 11-19-2007

I do not have any illegal aliens working for me, or for any of the sub-contractors I use, which is the only way I operate anymore. Nor have I ever had any. But, I doubt that I will ever hire any employees again. Most are not worth it. But, still, since you think you have the answers, just come here and show us how it is supposed to be done. It will take a bit more than operating a keyboard, which may be why you are declining the challenge. As far as the unemployment rate, it is the one reported, but if you have any valid data to back your figures up, let's see them. About having to pay more for skilled workers, it is a matter of economics. While I seldom bid on jobs, I still have to stay within a budget. What I like about them is that they come with their own insurance and that helps a lot.

zigzag- 11-19-2007

Civilian noninstitutional population.............. 227,425,000,000 Civilian labor force............................ 149,874,000,000 Participation rate........................ 65.9 ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/empsit.01052007.news 300 million people in the country 227 million of working age 1/3rd of them don't even work or look for work if only 150 million participate in the labor force. reality is 75 million people don't want to work for lars. word got around :P

Lars- 11-19-2007

Then why am I getting calls almost every day from former workers looking for work? Now, how many are left if we remove kids, students, retirees? The unemployables like Ziggy? Are the self employed counted in that statistic? As we know, Zigmetrics is a fluid and malleable concept.

zigzag- 11-19-2007

Then why am I getting calls almost every day from former workers looking for work? They put your name down on applications, so can't get hired anymore. Now, how many are left if we remove kids, students, retirees? the 300 million and 225 million of working age confused you ? most college students look for work The unemployables like Ziggy? Are the self employed counted in that statistic? if people pay self employment tax, they are probably counted, the government can somehow tell how many people work by something called IRS payments. Just because you don't make nothing so don't pay any tax, don't mean everyone is like you. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05in54cm.xls easy enough to figure out As we know, Zigmetrics is a fluid and malleable concept. I hope there ain't more than one of you, I know there are lots of idiots like you, but one of you is enough

Lars- 11-20-2007

If you remove all the guess work, Ziggy, you just posted about nothing, which of course is nothing new. I think it has been rather firmly established that there is only one of you and the entire nation is grateful for that. In addition, it is still obvious that you have no idea what statistical data means, but I think the good folks at the Department of Labor do and they run two kinds of surveys and while they do not come out the same each time, they are close enough. As usal, Ziggy, you are just full of shit and you just can't tell the difference.

zigzag- 11-20-2007

guess work no guess work involved, the facts speak for themselves. If somebody has enough brains to understand simple numbers. oblivious you don't.

zigzag- 11-21-2007

DEEP RIVER — - A requirement that workers at a local machine shop speak English on the job has been challenged by five Spanish-speaking immigrants who claim discrimination by national origin. The five men, here legally from Guatemala and Mexico, filed suit this week in U.S. District Court in New Haven against GC Industries, a company that manufactures and finishes sheet metal. The men are seeking $100,000 each, plus attorney fees and damages. http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ctdprenglish1121.artnov21,0,5415621.story?track=rss

BEDSPREAD- 11-21-2007

The SOB's hired the SOB's obviously to save labor costs. Let 'em jabber. I hope it shuts the shop down. You can't have it both ways.

zigzag- 11-21-2007

But ordinary Americans had a different idea. Their idea was: Let's not reward law-breakers with the ultimate prize: U.S. citizenship. And the ordinary Americans won. http://www.anncoulter.org/

zigzag- 11-29-2007

Smuggling rings brought in hundreds of illegals to U.S. Federal prosecutors and law enforcement in Vermont have broken up two large human-smuggling organizations that transported hundreds of illegal immigrants from Canada across the border into New York and Vermont. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071128/NEWS01/71128022/1009

zigzag- 11-29-2007

http://www.anncoulter.org/

zigzag- 11-29-2007

http://www.anncoulter.org/ 8)

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