A TMC tale Actually, it could be any coolie carrier these days. This is a long read, but the guy was honest about his experience with TMC, from orientation, training, riding with a trainer to being on his own.
stolen from here, originally written by Buzzdog.
http://www.truckstopusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15303
TMC
I am choosing to post this evaluation of my experience in the newbie section due to the majority of questions regarding TMC comes from recent graduates of the CDL schools. I should give some back ground to my experience.
I started driving in May of 2003 pulling flatbeds for Roehl. I left Roehl after 14 months to drive for a company that was closer to home and paying better. That job lasted almost 2 years but it was literally killing me. I was working on call, and it did not matter if I had just woke up or had been awake for 12 hours waiting to be called, I was expected to run when they said run. I went to work for a small operation, 3 truck then 2 truck. I left that due to fear of the bottom falling out. I took about 4 months off from August to November in 2006. As the bank account started to shrink I realized I had to go back out. I applied to TMC and after about a week I set up a date for orientation. I decided to hold off until the first of the year with the holidays coming up.
January 1st I set out for Des Moines. I arrived there and checked into the company hotel located on site. The accommodations were nice by trucking standards. I was given a packet of paper work to fill out and told to report at 6:30 a.m. at a classroom the next morning. The paper work was the usual, application, insurance, direct deposit, etc.
The next day I show up at the classroom at 6:15. It was a large room with several tables. Placed on every table in front of a chair were cards with names on them. I took my assigned seat and waited. As the room filled I started to take a head count. There were eventually 75 people attending orientation that day. The majority were fresh out of school drivers, easy to pick out in a crowd with their deer in the head light stare. Out of the 75, 25 of us were experienced 50 were no experience.
The 2 instructors began promptly at 6:30. I instantly had flash backs of MCRD San Diego. After they had completed roll call they began to tell us the itinerary for the day. It would start out with the DOT physicals and drug -*test*-('")s. The instructor that was speaking then entered into a 15 minute diatribe of zero tolerance with regards to drugs. It was obvious that it was mainly directed to the new drivers. The section where I was seated with the experienced drivers chuckled and looked at each other. Some of us made comments to the effect of who were they trying to impress. About this time a driver showed up late. He was an experienced driver from Oklahoma. His bus had arrived late and he went to the wrong building in the morning. The instructor then made a comment to the late driver saying, “ Well I guess since the bus was late, you did not deliver on time “.
The late driver, who I will call Red, resembled Alfred E Newman of Mad Magazine. Red replied in his native Oklahoma draw, “ The load was not late it was delivered on time. “ The instructor questioned him how could it have been on time if he over slept. Red responded with out missing a beat, “ Because I parked the truck in front of the gate before I went to sleep.”
After this initial intimidation process they tried to apply, the experienced drivers were separated from the newbie drivers. Our orientation was to only last 3 days while the newbies had 2 weeks of this to look forward to. The 3 days turned into a week for us. During the entire process the instructors displayed an arrogance and attitude that I have never seen before at any job. We were told of the policy regarding standing on the grass, instant termination. We skimmed over company policies.
The instructor we had was obviously more interested in taking smoke breaks, putting his time in, and going home. The load securement phase consisted of 3 hours. Overall I would say I should have not walked away at that point, I should have left running. Since Roehl did not put my flatbed experience down on my DAC and TMC was too lazy to pick up a phone to verify it, I was required to go out with a “trainer” for 2 weeks. When the last day finally arrived for orientation, we had to meet in the classroom again to find out our trainer assignments and rental car arrangements to get back home. As it was coming to an end, I had to relieve myself of the coffee I had ingested earlier in the day. I had sat patiently waiting. When the training coordinators had finally covered all of the pertinent information that I needed and asked if there were anymore questions, I stood up and started for the door with my back teeth floating. As I walked to the door, one of TMC’s ambassadors of professionalism says, “ Hey bud, sit back down, you were not exscused.” Oh he did not just say that is all that went through my mind. I responded that I had to use the restroom. He said I needed to wait. I then shot a look that said what was on my mind. The other training coordinator read my look and told me that I could go.
One thing that really stood out during my week of “orientation” was that every company I have ever worked at as at least given the drivers the lip service of the fact that everyone in the company works for the drivers, drivers are the only revenue generators, etc. At TMC they do not even bother. The way they treat people is obvious what they truly think of drivers. They are with out a doubt a typical large training company. They know that for every driver that quits, they have 10 more lined up with starry eyes drooling at black and chrome.
I went out with my “trainer” for 2 weeks. New drivers have to complete 6 weeks. My trainer was a nice guy. He was about 10 years younger then I am and had about 2 years less experience driving then I had. He was OCD in the regards that he did not allow anyone to wear shoes inside of his truck that were worn outside. The floor of his truck looked like it had just rolled out of the factory at 130k on the hub. But the real proof in the experience was the fact that while I was out with him during the 1st week, he spent most of his time calling other carriers looking for another job. During the beginning of the 2nd week with him, he had a job offer that he quickly took. Now the funny part. Not 10 minutes after calling and giving his notice to TMC while driving down a 2 lane state highway in TN he was on the phone calling family and friends to let them know he got a new job. I was sitting in the jump seat and I had noticed that the posted speed limit was 55mph. I also noticed the oncoming traffic flashing their lights as they passed us. Sitting on top of a hill was a TN DOT. I motioned at the parked DOT car, my “trainer” looked and continued hammer down at 65mph. As we crested the hill, he looked in the mirror and said, “ Crap, he’s going to get me”. Sure enough we were pulled over. The officer came around to the passenger side and instructed me to go to the sleeper. My “trainer” had no drawn a single line in his log book that day. So not only speeding, but log violation AND an expired insurance card on the truck. I just sat in the sleeper trying to keep a straight face. The officer looked at me and asked how long had I been driving. I told him 3 ½ years, he asked if this were just a check ride, and I responded yes basically. He then said, “ You’ve already been through this before I take it “. I responded “ Yes Sir .”
You have to realize what the requirements are to be a trainer at TMC. You have to have 6 to 9 months experience with the company and 1 winters driving. Overall the 2 weeks were uneventful other then learning what NOT to do…….LOL
I got to spend 2 days home before heading back out to Des Moines. I live in Muncie, IN. I was given the phone number of the driver that was going to pick me up. He was leaving out from PA and picking up another driver in OH. They picked me up approximately 3am Sunday. I drove to Iowa and checked in to the hotel. Monday I reported to a different classroom with approximately 20 other drivers. We filled out 5 or 6 forms during the entire day. At the end of the day, I find out that I have to drive back to Indianapolis along with 12 others to get my truck. So basically I wasted 2 days of my life that I will never get back to fill out 5 forms that I could have easily filled out during the 1st week I had been there. The real insult was that I was forced to buy a disposable camera and bunk warmer from the company. $5 for the camera and $35 for the bunk warmer. Once again, I should have ran out of the door. The company is that cheap that they require drivers to buy a disposable camera from them is insane. I drove back to Indy with 3 other experienced drivers. The process of getting assigned a truck took a day and a half with 13 of us showing up at the same time.
The one good thing about the company is my fleet manager. He is a good guy, probably the best FM I have ever had. But he can not fix or change the problems with his company. I have been in my truck for 7 weeks now. I have put close to 20k on it. My YTD gross for loads is $5071. That is a little over $700 a week gross. I have been home for 3 days since being assigned my truck so it is not because I have been sitting at home. It is not because I have been sitting anywhere. I have constantly been on the move. The revenue that they show me on the load assignments is a joke. I have pulled flatbed freight on % before. When I did the truck was averaging $1.78/mile for ALL miles put on the truck. I am getting paid under $0.30/mile at the end of the day. The fact seems to be TMC hauls cheap freight. Reviewing their “Best of the Best” which lists the top 50 drivers based on revenue to the truck I am not the only one that is hurting. The bottom of the top 50 only generated $3700 a week to the truck. This is a company that boasts 3100 trucks. That would make you wonder what the actual average is company wide. I had suspected that part of the reason may have been the company topping the freight charge. I have been told by drivers that TMC has an in-house brokerage and that the revenue that we see is after it has gone through the brokerage. I was assured by my FM that this was not the case. I have proof that it is. I am on a run that I was told the revenue is $1624 but the BOL states the freight charge as $1819. This difference is approximately 10% which is the standard brokerage cut. It is too little to account for a fuel surcharge, let alone the tarp fee that should be applied. I also have found the freight tariff agreement for AHI (Annette Holdings Inc. the parent company of TMC ) online. It is a very good read, it breaks down the line haul formula based on 100lb weight along with all other accessory charges. The thing that really stands out, it states that line haul rates are based on Rand McNally Practical miles. But the company stands behind household movers guide miles as far as drivers are concerned for pay and out of route figures. Just another example of a company preying on the ignorance of newbie drivers.
At this point and time, I know that I my days are numbered at TMC. How long I stay is still in question. I have already begun looking and have been accepted at a company but have to wait for a truck to become available.
There is NO WAY that I would recommend TMC to anyone, be it new driver or experienced. I have only skimmed over the issues that a driver would face here. I realize that you can ask other TMC drivers and they will paint a rosy picture to you. But for the new drivers, there are better choices that you can go with where you will be able to earn a wage that you deserve. Do not let the wonder lust of driving a peter car influence you into a decision that you will regret.
Phil- 03-17-2007
The guy has got it nailed!
every company I have ever worked at as at least given the drivers the lip service of the fact that everyone in the company works for the drivers, drivers are the only revenue generators, etc. At TMC they do not even bother. The way they treat people is obvious what they truly think of drivers.
There's never been a driver shortage, just a shortage of people who have the ability to treat drivers with a modicum of courtesy. My real regreat about trucking was that I got into the OTR side way too late - in my 50's. Twenty years earlier, I would have had the time of my life punching the shit out of some of the Qualcomm Rambos that I had to deal with. :lol: :lol: :lol:
BTW, we need to extend an invitation to this soon to be ex-TMC driver to post on this board. His clear view of reality might tend to offset the political jabbering of the left-wingnuts we've acquired lately.
:lol: :lol:
Part Time Dweller- 03-17-2007
BTW, we need to extend an invitation to this soon to be ex-TMC driver to post on this board. His clear view of reality might tend to offset the political jabbering of the left-wingnuts we've acquired lately.
:lol: :lol:
Not to mention the newly acquired drama queen :lol:
Part Time Dweller- 03-17-2007
Oh, sorry , didn't mean to leave you out TNT honey. :lol:
Part Time Dweller- 03-17-2007
I know TNT, there are more than one. I included you so you didn't feel left out :wink:
Phil- 03-17-2007
I can live with the drama queens (as long as they stay in the Personals forum) but it's a complete mystery to me why they feel the need to "share" the details of their lives and/or opinions of themselves in a public forum. Don't they have friends that they can talk with?
Burky- 03-17-2007
I can live with the drama queens (as long as they stay in the Personals forum) but it's a complete mystery to me why they feel the need to "share" the details of their lives and/or opinions of themselves in a public forum. Don't they have friends that they can talk with?
Actually, No! The drama queens don't have friends, because a true drama queen can never share the stage with someone else. It's all about Me! Me! Me! in the drama queen world.
Lars- 03-17-2007
Of course, the fallacy still is that if you find one example that validates your views, those views have to be universal. And the naysayers even have their own little cozy amen corner around here.
So, when they are challenged, they get quite stirred up and as mentioned, overly dramatic. No doubt their traumatic experiences have something to do with that, as do their mutual admiration.
I got crapped on a few times, mostly by dispachers, but I did do something about it and since I had told operation management what my quarterly revenue goals were before I even started, it did not take much persuation to correct the situation.
I wonder if too many drivers in their extended stays in truckstops have not spent too much time watching Oprah and have learned the ways of being a victim and then reveling in their misery that of course has to be shared, again as per Oprah.
So, cry me a river, boys. It is sooooo entertaining.
Phil- 03-17-2007
Of course, the fallacy still is that if you find one example that validates your views, those views have to be universal. And the naysayers even have their own little cozy amen corner around here.
So, when they are challenged, they get quite stirred up and as mentioned, overly dramatic. No doubt their traumatic experiences have something to do with that, as do their mutual admiration.
I got crapped on a few times, mostly by dispachers, but I did do something about it and since I had told operation management what my quarterly revenue goals were before I even started, it did not take much persuation to correct the situation.
I wonder if too many drivers in their extended stays in truckstops have not spent too much time watching Oprah and have learned the ways of being a victim and then reveling in their misery that of course has to be shared, again as per Oprah.
So, cry me a river, boys. It is sooooo entertaining.
Thanks for taking the time to illustrate - perfectly, I might add - Burky's point:
"No! The drama queens don't have friends, because a true drama queen can never share the stage with someone else. It's all about Me! Me! Me! in the drama queen world."
Lars- 03-17-2007
As you must know by now, Phil, the ankle biters will always hide behind something. What is surprising is that you are such an admirer of them. It must be crowded up on that porch, with the rest of the yappers.
Phil- 03-17-2007
As you must know by now, Phil, the ankle biters will always hide behind something. What is surprising is that you are such an admirer of them. It must be crowded up on that porch, with the rest of the yappers.
Not at all; it's a big porch. We built it on the foundation of dried bullshit generated by all of you old drivers with your tales of "how it used to be".
If you can't see the difference between the crybaby assholes who hide behind any excuse to justify their own failures while attributing whatever small successes they achieve to their own abilities (you'll find a lot of them congregating at the Knitting Club; listen for the cry of "trucking is what you make of it") and the soon-to-be ex-TMC driver with his realistic evaluation of TMC, then you are not only over the hill but have lost sight of the top. :roll: :roll:
Part Time Dweller- 03-17-2007
It must be crowded up on that porch, with the rest of the yappers.
As it must be lonely on your pedestal :P
Part Time Dweller- 03-17-2007
but it's a complete mystery to me why they feel the need to "share" the details of their lives and/or opinions of themselves in a public forum. Don't they have friends that they can talk with?
These are the same types that air their personal life on channel 19 then complain if anyone criticizes them. It is an attention thing, life is all about them, and everyone is supposed to be impressed. If you don't want anyone to comment, don't air your laundry in public.
Lars- 03-17-2007
I am well aware, as are most experienced drivers, that trucking is not for everybody and I there are many valid examples of that. Over the years we have been treated on numerous occassions to tales of woe and how it is all trucking's fault.
When I started, I heard that only one in fifty would still be driving after a year and that was pretty much my observation where I was. However, I have met many while I was driving who did just fine. They had adapted to the situation and were able to take whatever advantage they could and I don't think it takes much to become a big fish in that pond.
No doubt many promises and misrepresentations are deployed in enticing new drivers, but you get the same from the US Army too and many other outfits. Can the situation be improved? I think it can, but it will require raising the standards for obtaining and maintaining a CDL and it would appear that most drivers are slow to embrace that idea.
I know there are efforts to make progress along those lines, but it is certainly slow going, since the ATA is not surprisingly opposed.
But, Phil, sitting around whining about it from behind a keyboard will at best provide entertainment and that is all.
Phil- 03-17-2007
But, Phil, sitting around whining about it from behind a keyboard will at best provide entertainment and that is all.
As I said before Lars, for most people a man's intelligence is measured by the degree to which he agrees with you and this is a disease with which you are seriously afflicted.
I don't know whether it's the constant exposure to the Florida sun, the constant rubbing of shoulders with those consumed by Alzheimers or simply being exposed to the idiots rushing by on their way to Miami but your perception of reality is severely distorted. You might want to put a liner in your tinfoil hat. :roll:
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